OK so Mayim posted this on Facebook:
to the men and women so outraged that i am raising my sons as feminists. ahem. feminism is the belief that men and women are equally competent and valuable. it is the belief that women have the power, wisdom and unique skill set to bring about a revolution of race, class, and gender in this world. it is the belief that the violation of anyone’s rights is a violation of all rights. i will raise my sons to be feminists as long as there are those among you who believe that feminism is about man-hating and trendy hypersensitivity. and as long as people call me – or any feminist – a Feminazi, there is a need for more feminists. sometimes i wonder how we can move forward with such ignorance, fear and hatred. let my sons be champions of equality alongside the brave women who have worked so hard to get us where we are.
Some of the responses she got were completely nuts and brainless. As one gent put it: “Gotta love how the religious fanatics go full cognitive dissonance when their ideology is challenged.” He’s right. I cannot believe how emotionally-driven/non-intellectual people get in the face of feminism.
For example, this discussion ensued:
Gina Redrovan said:
Feminism = hate for men and auto victimization of women mentally weak who find “equality” by killing their children in the womb due to irresponsible sex. I can be for equality without being a feminist!
Danielle F Walters responded:
Gina that’s not the definition of feminism. But good job misunderstanding the entire point of my comment and this post!!
Also, you do realize that birth control isn’t a magic pill that means you never get pregnant right? Approx 83% with condoms, 92% with the pill.
I have a IUD (the most effective form of BC) and can still get pregnant despite taking the best precaution I possibly can.
Josh Hankins added this:
Actually Danielle F Walters, the most effective method to prevent pregnancy is abstinence! If you don’t want the prize, don’t play the game!
Danielle F Walters responded to him with this: So Josh, you are suggesting a 30 year old married couple abstain from sex because of your morals?
Abstinence doesn’t work and is a useless throwaway argument made by people who don’t actually want to think.
Why don’t you ask all the abstinence only states how’s that’s going? Oh wait they also have the highest rates of STI’s and teen pregnancy.
Sooooo obviously it doesn’t work since it hasn’t for 30+ years.
Wait, WHAT? WHAT did she just say???
I had to dive in there and say this:
Danielle just said abstinence doesn’t work.
So girls just get pregnant out of nowhere? Girls and women can just turn up pregnant even if they are virgins?
Wow. And I thought only the Blessed Virgin Mary was the Immaculate Conception.
What. An. Idiot. Women don’t just turn up pregnant out of nowhere. Abstinence DOES work. If she’d said “abstinence only sex education doesn’t work” that would be a correct statement. But she just had to mouth off, because she was getting too emotionally involved to think rationally, and there we have it. She’s an idiot.
Justin Brown said this:
Danielle F Walters if feminism is really just egalitarian what need is there for it?
She hasn’t responded to him as of yet.
I like the word “egalitarian” better. If I was going to use a word, that one would be more accurate.
But more & more, I’m coming to realize that when faced with a label, people abandon all rational thought. It’s very similar to what Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson said about atheism in this video and how dehumanizing labels can be. It stops people from having real, in-depth conversation with someone about life.
Feminists seem to have no capacity for rational thought when it comes to this. They are so deeply wrapped into their idolatry, they can’t even see what they’re DOING. And this – along with the backstabbing I got years ago from feminists and feminist supporters – is why I won’t use the label “feminist” even though I have many views that agree with feminism.
I just reserve the right to think for myself and to set boundaries about how far I will define myself. If anything, that is the single most feminist thing a woman can do.
Further thoughts – I added this:
Um, Mayim, these two statements are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE:
Statement 1: “feminism is the belief that men and women are equally competent and valuable.”
That statement should have ENDED THERE. But then you said this:
Statement 2: “it is the belief that women have the power, wisdom and unique skill set to bring about a revolution of race, class, and gender in this world.”
You can’t have it both ways, Mayim. Your 2nd statement canceled out your 1st one. Basically with these two statements, you have just proved George Orwell’s point when he wrote, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Remember that, from “Animal Farm?” It was a proclamation by the pigs who control the government in that story. That line is a comment on the hypocrisy of governments/groups/organizations that proclaim the absolute equality of their citizens/members/etc but give power and privileges to a small elite.
With feminists, you have some who get paid a lot of money to stand up and make speeches and tell women just how exploited they are. Some people make a very good living reminding women just how victimized they are. Those are the “more equal” animals. Don’t be one of them. That would be so disappointing.
Maybe you should reread “Animal Farm,” Mayim. You’re totally proving Orwell’s point.
I also said:
I just wish that those people who do choose to use the word “feminist” as a label for themselves would stop screaming at those of us who don’t use that word for ourselves. If we say “I or someone I know doesn’t identify as a feminist” we are torn a new one by feminists – which, of course, does nothing to endear feminism to us at all, and in fact is very likely to reinforce our decision to stay the hell away from that word – and they bear false witness against us, and accuse us of things that they can’t possibly know about us because they don’t know us as people. This is why many people believe – me included – that feminists are not interested in dialog. They only want control. They don’t want people to be free to choose for themselves what labels they will or will not use. They are threatened by people who think for themselves and who refuse to participate in herd mentality. Yes, this HAS happened to both my husband and myself. This has also happened to a man – call him Lord Ash, as that was his Craft name – who once was my high priest when I was a Wiccan; a feminist witch (Z Budapest, for those here in the know) told him his mother should have strangled him at birth because he was a boy. She’d tell you, Mayim, that you should’ve strangled your boys at birth for the same reason. SHE IS A FEMINIST, Mayim! You are one of those people! I swear to G-d that is 100% truth. In the face of that, how DARE a feminist wonder why some of us don’t want to use this word?
Is that what you want for your boys, for them to be that kind of person? Because I’m afraid that, if you’re raising them to be feminists, that’s what you’re teaching them. Scream at people, hate people, turn people into your enemy if they don’t use the labels they demand of people. Say rude and false things about people they’ve never even met. Accuse them wrongly of having twisted views of the world. Refuse to be a rational human being who will discuss, calmly and rationally, why some people are turned OFF by feminism and why they don’t want to use that label or be associated with feminists.
Labels are DEHUMANIZING. Do not get idolatrous about them.
I then added this:
In response to this: “i will raise my sons to be feminists as long as there are those among you who believe that feminism is about man-hating and trendy hypersensitivity. and as long as people call me – or any feminist – a Feminazi, there is a need for more feminists.”
OK so you need more people to shout down anyone who puts a toe out of line, who dares to disagree with you & your feminist friends, who dares to think for themselves, just like what has already happened to me and my husband, when WE thought for OURSELVES and did not agree with feminist people or strongly pro-feminist supporters. You’re going to teach your boys to be social bullies, to be thought and speech police, to shun anyone who dares to disagree with them/thinks for themselves, who calls them out when they get to be social bullies (like the feminist bullies who ripped my throat out), etc. Wow. That’s a GREAT way to raise your kids – NOT.
And you – and other feminists like you – DARE to QUESTION why the word “Feminazi” even exists?? Do you even notice when feminists get out of line like this? Or are you in denial?
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